EP 68 | Massachusetts Cold Cases with Emily Sweeney of the Boston Globe's Cold Case Files (Live from Faces Brewing, Malden 6/20/2024)

In this bonus episode, recorded live at Faces Brewing Co. in Malden, Mass, we explore local cold cases. With journalist Emily Sweeney, we uncover the intricate details behind some of the state's most perplexing unsolved crimes.

We mark the anniversary of Debra Melo's mysterious disappearance. The case of 30-year-old Taunton mother who went missing in 2000 continues to pose questions about the people closest to her. We call for the public's involvement to keep her memory alive and push for answers.

Next, we navigate three cases covered in Cold Case Files: The murder of retired Watertown police officer Gail Miles, the disappearance of Stow teenager Cathy Malcolmson, and the mystery surrounding the murder of John and Geraldine Magee in their Andover home. Despite years of investigative work, these families have few answers.

We shine a light on the Middlesex County Cold Case Unit's work to solve these cases, like the 1971 murder of Natalie Scheublin in her Bedford home - a case finally resolved five decades later. 

Delving deeper, we explore the disappearances of Jennifer Mbugua, missing from North Attleboro in 2014, the case of murdered boy Eddie Flynn in Billerica in 1947, Bruce Crowley who was last seen in Provincetown in late December 2022, and remains of an unidentified man found on Town Beach in Sandwich in June 2014. Despite a few recognizable items found with the body, his identity is still "Man of the Dunes". 

Plus the years-old unsolved cases of Andy Puglisi, missing from Lawrence since 1976, teenagers Melanie Melanson who disappeared from Woburn in 1989 and Deanna Cremin who was found murdered in Somerville in 1995, Rita Hester, the Black Trans woman stabbed in her Allston apartment in 1998, Charline Rosemond found shot in a parking lot in Somerville in 2009, Brittany Tee, missing from Brookfield since 2023, Karina Holmer's 1996 grisly murder that still haunts Boston, and Reina Rojas who disappeared in 2022 after taking a ride from her East Boston neighborhood to Somerville.

We emphasize the importance of public awareness and legislative advocacy, hoping for breakthroughs that could finally solve these mysteries.

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Chapters

• 0:00 Crime of the Truest Kind
• 1:50 Live at Faces Brewing Co. in Malden, Mass
• 2:20 Update on Crime of the Truest Kind release schedule
• 7:44 What is a cold case?
• 8:07 Unsolved, Unidentified, Unclaimed in Massachusetts
• 11:30 Unsolved: Gail Miles, Roxbury, 2011
• 14:59 Theories in Gail Miles' case
• 17:42 Missing: Cathy Malcolmson, Stowe, 1985
• 25:49 Middlesex County Cold Case Unit
• 28:00 Mysterious Cold Cases Update
• 29:42 Unsolved: John and Geraldine Magee, Andover, 2011
• 35:54 Missing: Jennifer Mbugua, Fall River, 2014
• 40:01 Missing: Bruce Crowley, Provincetown, 2022
• 46:56 Unsolved: Eddie Flynn, Billerica, 1947
• 51:27 Unsolved Cold Cases Discussion
• 53:41 Unidentified: Man of the Dunes, Sandwich, 2014
• 57:21 Missing: Andy Puglisi, Lawrence, 1976
• 58:38 Missing: Melanie Melanson, Woburn, 1989
• 59:22 Unsolved: Deanna Cremin, Somerville, 1996
• 1:00:34 Unsolved: Rita Hester, Allston, 1998
• 1:02:38 Unsolved: Charline Rosemond, Somerville, 2009
• 1:07:28 Unsolved: Karina Holmer, Boston, 1996
• 1:09:44 Missing: Reina Morales Rojas, Somerville, 2022
• 1:11:01 Q+A with Anngelle and Emily
• 1:18:24 New places for new faces, new locations wanted for future Crime of the Truest Kind live shows

Transcript

Anngelle Wood: 0:00

Well, hello, my name is Anngelle Wood, and this is Crime of the Truest Kind.

Anngelle Wood: 0:23

Hello, welcome, happy July everyone. I don't know how'd that happen. My name is Anngelle Wood. This is Crime of the Truest Kind. Massachusetts and New England crime stories, regional history, a little snark thrown in. I am who I am. It is not an explicit show, but from time to time you may get a curse word.

Anngelle Wood: 0:50

I feel like that is of little consequence to most of you who have been listening to the show for any period of time. So, yes, this podcast is New England true crime, regional history, advocacy focused. Next week I take off to the True Crime Podcast Festival in Denver where I have met a great community of true crime advocates like me. There is also a paranormal component to the festival, which is not what I do, but equally as interesting. Frito's here. This is the live feed from the June 20th show at Faces Brewing in Malden Mass. Thank you, Bob and Ryan and the whole team at Faces Brewing. There's some questions and responses from the audience that didn't get picked up very well in the audio. We'll work on that for future shows. I edited in a way that my response and Emily's responses make sense in the context of the conversation that was going down in the room. Many thanks to all of you who have supported the show by dropping a tip in the jar to give the dogs a bone. They are very grateful. All of you who have become a Patreon patron, four tiers starting at just $1. Thank you for that. You help and send me to Denver.

Anngelle Wood: 2:18

The show will take a short break for August, returning in September for what I consider season four. I did this last year. Same thing. T ook a short break, came back with season three and I have a number of interviews planned for season four and a number of topics to cover, a lot of which you have emailed me about. That's tremendous. Keep doing that. Keep telling people about the show. Thank you for five stars. New Jersey girl in Vermont. They write, "fabulous podcast. Everything is great about this podcast. Best host ever. Thank you, I don't even know them. Monthly minis are coming during this break and throughout. Thank you, I don't even know them. Monthly minis are coming during this break and throughout. Thank you. I really don't want to air commercials. I don't like them.

Anngelle Wood: 3:11

This is episode 68. You will find the slides from the live show presentation posted at crimeofthetruestkind. com. We talk about many unsolved cases, or unresolved as they are often called. Episode 68 - Massachusetts cold cases with my guest Emily Sweeney, journalist and reporter for the Boston Globe's Cold Case Files.

Anngelle Wood: 3:43

Thanks for coming. I know it's boiling everywhere. I wasn't even going to bother, being pretty. I walked out of the house like this and kind of put my makeup on in the car, which I normally do anyway, even if it's hot or cold. My name is Anngelle Wood. Thank you all for being here.

Anngelle Wood: 4:00

I host a podcast called Crime of the Truest Kind. It's based on New England Massachusetts mostly, but a lot of New England crime and there's history in there, so I always learn something every single time. It's not a comedy, but I do sometimes have some dark humor. I got my start in radio several years ago. I would be surprised if any of you remember me from the radio, except for Emily, because we've been around. We've been around you do you do? Yeah, I did radio for a lot of years, and so transitioning into doing podcasting was pretty easy for me because I had I knew how to research, but I, you know, I'm definitely still learning. I knew how to use audio, edit audio. I'm not afraid of speaking in front of people so it just was a I don't know. It was a pretty easy transition, so I started doing the podcast in 2020.

Anngelle Wood: 5:08

I'd always wanted to do one, and then we all found that we had this big window of time to fill. Some people were baking sourdough bread, I was researching crimes, and then crime of the truth kind was born and then I took a small hiatus and came back to it, and I have every intention on keeping up with producing the podcast every other Friday. This will become a podcast episode. If, at any point, you have any questions, we will answer them, but what we will do is make time for a little Q&A at the end, whatever you want to talk about. If there's any questions about something that Emily Sweeney has written, about anything that I've talked about, anything that's going on in the news, we're happy to talk about it. A couple of things I want to make mention of.

Anngelle Wood: 6:01

Today is June 20th, 2024. Today is the 24th anniversary of Deborah Mello's disappearance Unsolved. The family definitely has feelings about what happened with Deborah and I do episodes about it so you can listen to those. So today was light a candle for Deborah Day. I do episodes about it so you can listen to those. So today was light a candle for Debra Day. Wherever anybody was anywhere in the world, light a candle, think of Debra and share your photo or share a GIF or something. So this is for Debra. My friends, emily Sweeney joins us. This is our second show together. Emily has been a writer, journalist, writer, author for as long as probably.

Anngelle Wood: 6:56

I've been on radio double digits right and Emily, back in end of mid 2023. You started Cold Case Files with Boston Globe, yep, and it's been going well and I appreciate all of the subjects that you have covered. And there is a newsletter. So subscribe to Emily Sweeney's newsletter and you will get them delivered to your email. So we're going to talk about Massachusetts cold cases, which is what Emily has been writing about. What is a cold case? Well, I looked up the technical definition A crime or a suspected crime that has not been fully resolved, that there hasn't been any new leads or new information and it's just sort of languishing. So these cases need attention and to be re-energized and reinvigorated, and that's what we like to do with doing. These shows what Emily's doing, what I try to do with my podcast, sometimes called unresolved I notice that language comes up a lot. So, in Massachusetts, everybody here live in Massachusetts.

Emily Sweeney: 8:09

All right.

Anngelle Wood: 8:10

It is the best place. There are 3,989 unsolved murders that are documented Now. This is through Project Cold Cases, cold Case Homicide Stats, and I do like statistics and data say it different every time. This is from the FBI's Uniform Crime Report, data going from 1965 to 2022. So if we add two more years, that's probably going to be boosted. I'd hate to say it. Maybe a couple hundred people, I'm not quite sure, but that's as of the 10,000 or more murders and the state of Massachusetts claims a 61% clearance rate.

Emily Sweeney: 9:03

It's like almost a flip on a coin, do you? Think Do you know what a coin Do you think?

Anngelle Wood: 9:05

Do you know what I mean? Do you think they?

Emily Sweeney: 9:07

have a 61% clearance rate. I mean, you know, I'm not sure those stats came from what Project Cold Case? I mean, you know, if that's accurate, it's just scary. You know what I mean To think that a loved one could be murdered and literally, whether whether it's solved or not.

Anngelle Wood: 9:25

61 percent 201 missing people in Massachusetts according to namus. That is the clearinghouse database where everything gets entered in. It gets entered in by law enforcement, so it's not something where you know you think your loved one's missing you, you go in and enter it. It has to be done through law enforcement. This is certainly not a complete record of everybody that's missing in Massachusetts. This is just what NamUs tells us. That's the missing unidentified person system Unidentified people 203 in the state of Massachusetts.

Anngelle Wood: 10:04

These are people who have passed away. They didn't have identification, nobody knows who they are and they sort of languish in morgues or I'm not even quite sure. There's something called an unclaimed person. These are persons who pass away. Unclaimed person these are persons who pass away and no one family friends come and claim their bodies. There are a couple of reasons for that Financial limitations Families are nervous about the expense and they can't see any other way than to not claim their loved one. Family estrangement is another big one. Families sometimes don't even know if a loved one has passed. They have fallen out of touch for whatever reason. Or, as it says here, this happens a lot in nursing facilities, nursing home facilities, where there may not be updated information for them to contact anyone to come and take care of their loved one.

Anngelle Wood: 11:11

Okay, emily Sweeney has been writing about cold case files and I asked Emily for this for tonight's show. Give me three cases that we can talk about. I have heard of this one. All of these are infuriating. By the way, we start with Gail Miles. Roxbury, massachusetts, was killed in 2011. She was the first black police officer in Watertown. She worked there for at least 20 years, right.

Emily Sweeney: 11:46

Yeah.

Anngelle Wood: 11:47

Considerable amount of time. She dealt with a great many issues Racism, sexism, cops. She was found murdered. Let's pick it up, emily. What did you learn?

Emily Sweeney: 12:06

Yeah, so this case, like you said, is infuriating and it's wild that it hasn't gotten more attention. You know when you think about a police officer getting murdered in their own home, like what, and that's what happened to Gail Miles when Gail was.

Emily Sweeney: 12:24

I actually wrote a story when Gail filed a lawsuit against the police department you know, alleging, you know, just for all the abuse she endured and she was still alive when I wrote the story, I didn't get to interview her or anything like that. And then you know, you fast forward some some years later and I found out she was like killed in her own home. She had a place in Roxbury on Woodman Road and police came by to do a wellness check and she was brutally, viciously murdered.

Anngelle Wood: 13:04

It's personal when that happens.

Emily Sweeney: 13:07

Yeah, so one interesting aspect of this case is you know, gail was retired from the police force at the time, but she was a trained police officer. She's not just going to open the door for anybody. Her friends, you know, would say so. You know, there's a thought that she may have known her killer. And another interesting thing about the case is that it was a very gruesome murder but there was nothing stolen. There were no fingerprints left behind. This is according to her family, and the gun that she usually had has not been found.

Anngelle Wood: 13:47

Is that right.

Emily Sweeney: 13:48

Yeah, wow, so it's bizarre. You know what I mean. And yeah, like I've, you've been talking to people about this case and there's all you. There's some types of theories that gail was going to blow the whistle on something you know. Um, and yeah, gail miles this is her home.

Anngelle Wood: 14:17

She lived here in roxbury. Now, the little that I know about the story of her home she owned the home but then she was selling it to someone. But someone was going to let whomever bought the. It's like a three-decker right. She was going to stay on the second floor.

Emily Sweeney: 14:39

Yeah, so she had owned the property and then had apparently taken out other mortgages on it. Yeah, and the property got sold and she apparently made a deal with the new owner to be able to still live there, and yeah.

Anngelle Wood: 14:59

Are there any, I'll say theories within her family members? Where do they believe? Are they of the belief that her former officers, her former co-workers, are involved in this, based on the lack of evidence that they didn't find in her home?

Emily Sweeney: 15:19

yes, so the lack of evidence made it seem like, you know this is a professional hit. If you will, a cup there's again. I was just talking to other investigative journalists and everything there's been talk of, like you know, was it other police officers, you know, was there bad blood between or was she going to rat them out for something? Another thing that's come up is that you know there was a triple murder in Waltham around the same time that Gail was murdered and that was also a very brutal, brutal murder and investigators have been looking at the similarities between the two. But again, they've been without any leads and there's been no arrests, no charges. And I'm just surprised that there's not no arrests, no charges, and I'm just surprised that there's not more police officers, I don't know, keeping her name out there. I don't know, but yeah, there's a there's.

Anngelle Wood: 16:19

We were always made to believe there is this brotherhood among the officers and sisterhood too, but that's really interesting. That's really concerning that this happened to a retired officer and there wasn't more of an outcry from her force, the Watertown force and others around yeah again, you know, I know the case has been, you know, investigated.

Emily Sweeney: 16:53

You know I've been told thoroughly and I don't know. I just really want to follow up on this and keep her name out there, just in case. Somebody, you know, gotta know something. You know what I mean.

Anngelle Wood: 17:05

That's always the case. Somebody always knows it's just a matter of sometimes's just a matter of, sometimes it's a matter of time passing until someone's in a different position, or you know that deathbed confession we hear about. Those things do happen. If there's no evidence to connect, no DNA evidence to connect this, we can't even rely on forensic science and genetics and et cetera that are really cracking a lot of cases now and more and more all the time.

Anngelle Wood: 17:37

Mm-hmm, which is great but All right, we're going to go back to 1995, and this is a missing person, a teenage girl, kathy Malcolmson, known as Kathy, her real name, catherine Ruth Malcolmson. Sometimes I think she's listed as Catherine in some of the databases, but I think generally it's Kathy. She spent the last day of her life, we think on Friday, august 13, 1985. She spent it with her dad and then she said Dad, I got to go to work. She had a summer job. She was riding her bike to her job at a grocery store the next town over you think it was what about two miles away from in Stowe, and she worked at the IGA supermarket in Hudson, which is now like a big like CBS.

Emily Sweeney: 18:36

It doesn't look like anything like it once did. She got on her bike. I think it was about just over three miles the trip and she worked as a cashier, you know. She told her dad bye and her bye and her dad said like be careful, especially on the bike coming home when it's dark. And her family didn't know what happened to her until somebody from the IGA store called their home saying why didn't Kathy show up for work? And yeah, up for work. And yeah, and so that you know a search, you know that they, her family, was calling. I spoke to Kathy's cousin and you know he told me, like you know, I remember getting a call from his uncle being like you know where's Kathy? Where's Kathy, you know, and and cousin at the time was just like you know, don't worry, maybe she's, like you know, went to go hang out at somebody's house.

Emily Sweeney: 19:29

She was a teenager, yeah, you know. So it definitely wasn't like her, though, and yeah, and so she disappeared without a trace.

Anngelle Wood: 19:39

Did they suspect this happens to a lot of kids at that age 15, 16? They thought at that period of time she was a runaway also, which you hear a lot with cases like this.

Emily Sweeney: 19:51

Yeah, I mean police, I mean the way police handle these missing person reports and stuff. I think it has changed a lot, you know, since the 80s and the 70s. I mean, when did you really ever hear the term runaway now?

Anngelle Wood: 20:05

You know what I mean.

Emily Sweeney: 20:06

Whereas like back then it was like everybody was running away, have a term runaway now you know what I mean.

Emily Sweeney: 20:09

whereas, like back then it was like everybody was running away, yeah, um and yeah. So you know, there was like the family, friends you know, searched for her. They put up posters and stuff and it wasn't until about 18 months after she disappeared that, uh, a guy um pulled over at the side of the road it was like Route 62, and apparently he was taking a leak. And he sees this white bike in the shrubs about 10 feet in and he thought it was abandoned and he's like, oh, all right, it's a bike with a whooped tire in the back but otherwise in good condition. All right, like it's a bike with a whooped tire in the back but otherwise in good condition. And he soon realized from coverage of her case that, oh my God, I might have that missing girl's bike. He brings it to the police and they confirm that, yes, that is Kathy's bike and where it was found if you see, like right behind that red little target there's a Rotten Gun Club, right there.

Emily Sweeney: 21:19

And that's really the only landmark around. You can see the driveway leading up to it and police checked out. All the members of the Rotten Gun Club requested like lists of like who belonged there and that got nowhere.

Anngelle Wood: 21:37

So yeah, to this day nobody knows.

Emily Sweeney: 21:38

You know where she might and who knows where the bike is?

Anngelle Wood: 21:40

oh yeah, I can, we can hope that they may have checked it for prints, but it was out there on in the elements. For what? 18?

Emily Sweeney: 21:47

months, I believe. What are the?

Anngelle Wood: 21:49

chances of anything being salvageable at that point.

Emily Sweeney: 21:53

Yeah, I'm not sure, but it's yeah.

Anngelle Wood: 21:59

And the way the condition of the bike was that one of the tires was warped. That would indicate and I think you may have written about this or I read this, and one of the things I read about Kathy's case was it could have been somebody went at her Like she was riding her bike down the street and someone may have tried to hit her.

Emily Sweeney: 22:20

Yeah, yeah, I mean, if you think of I don't know, like you know, when you have like a 16-year-old girl who's you know, healthy, good shape, like on a bike, Like you know what I mean, Could somebody have, like you know, hit her to knock her off the bike? It's definitely a possibility. There was, you know, soon after Kathy disappeared is when 9-year-old Sarah Pryor disappeared, Like a few months later. Yeah, when nine-year-old Sarah Pryor disappeared, Like a few months later. Yeah, and the Middlesex District Attorney at the time, Tom Riley, he thought it was connected. You have two girls who are just literally whisked away off public streets. They did have a suspect in mind. His name is John Robert Wordy. Oh yeah, they did have a suspect in mind. His name is John Robert Wordy. Oh yeah, but he was never charged with Sarah or Kathy's disappearance.

Anngelle Wood: 23:28

Is that the same person who had been in prison in another state and?

Emily Sweeney: 23:29

was out on parole and moved back to Massachusetts.

Anngelle Wood: 23:31

So he was in jail, I think, in Texas. Correct me if I'm wrong. Yeah, he was in jail in a southern state for something similar, strangling a 15-year-old girl yeah, and he got out and came here Because he was from Sherbourne, so he was like all right, I guess, go back home. And back in the 80s a lot of law enforcement agencies didn't talk to each other, so people in Massachusetts may have never, ever known, until they started to dig in his record and trace back to where he was right.

Emily Sweeney: 24:06

Yeah, well, actually he got in trouble for he tried kidnapping a woman in Newton at Knife Point. That's right. And that's when they were like, oh wow, this guy is like just got out of prison in Texas and she was able to ID him. Yeah and you know his job. Apparently, at the time when he was on parole up here, from what I've heard, was putting together swing sets. You know what I mean.

Anngelle Wood: 24:33

Great In people's backyards and stuff. I'm a predator. Let me be around children. It's like one step from being the guy who works the kids' lunch in the cafeteria.

Emily Sweeney: 24:44

Yeah, yeah. So I mean he denied having any involvement in Sarah's disappearance or Kathy's. And again, you know, the only new development in Kathy's case right now is that a new task force has been formed and the police have like this huge, gigantic box of files they're just like going through.

Anngelle Wood: 25:10

Stowe's.

Emily Sweeney: 25:12

Middlesex. County, county right uh yes, I think it is. Yeah, um and yeah, they're going through everything just like with a fine-tooth comb and they're just trying to see if there's any leads, anything they can follow up on, and they've renewed the call for tips you know, anybody with any information at all.

Emily Sweeney: 25:29

So they said they're going to follow up on anything. So it's again one of these cases that it you know. How can somebody just disappear on their way to work in broad daylight, never to be seen again? No one saw anything at all you know.

Anngelle Wood: 25:45

It's interesting. You bring up that cold case unit that was formed and I know a little bit more about this because I did. My most recent episode talked about a 50 year old cold case that got solved because of this cold case unit. Um district attorney mary ann ryan. Middlesex district attorney mary ann ryan put this new cold case unit together in 2019 and they started to delve back into some of these cases. So they're going through other files, they're trying to find people to re-question, go through the whole thing and I'll be very, very brief.

Anngelle Wood: 26:19

But there was a, a woman named natalie shublin who was murdered in her home in bedford brutally. Her husband came home and found her in the basement. They questioned a number of people. The suspect was a person of interest. They questioned a couple of times. This person says always gets me, yeah, I've never been there, I've never been to Bedford, I don't know what you're talking about. It's like. So you believed him. They questioned him like two on two separate occasions and then, when they went back to look at the case, they made connections.

Anngelle Wood: 27:00

Oh, and what also helped was somebody decided to start talking. So a woman started to talk and said yeah, he did these things, very strange things like they would be treaded, they were defrauding banks, and then he would always brag about. He'd always carry a knife. He would brag about having murdered someone, I think in their home I don't think he said where, but fast forward to 2022, they arrested someone after 50 years. So it is possible because they had a thumbprint that was on the back window of her car and they had that in their you know cache of evidence, you know boxes that we see in the movies, right, and they connected this person. So in May, just about a month ago, a man who lived in Salem Massachusetts, who is 78 years old his name is Arthur Massey was convicted and got life in prison for murdering a woman 53 years ago at her home. That's great news. The unfortunate thing is he got to live in freedom until he was 78 years old.

Anngelle Wood: 28:33

That is incredible to me that somebody got away with murder for that long. And this guy was a hustler Like he was. He was loan sharking and he was, you know, he had all of these, all this stuff going on. He had all these hustles illegal hustles.

Anngelle Wood: 28:45

And when he he after he got caught, he was still trying to work from the inside getting people to collect his loan shark debts 100 interest, by the way and uh, he was trying to pressure this woman to present herself as a witness, saying all of this is lies, you know, to lie for him essentially. And then, of course, if she didn't do that, he threatened to kill her. So, 50, 53 years now, a cold case solved. So it does happen. It does happen.

Emily Sweeney: 29:28

No, it's like seriously. That's why it's so good to keep these out there and you're doing such a great job with the podcast. Thank you. Reaching new audiences. We're a good team.

Anngelle Wood: 29:36

Oh, hell, yeah, so we're going to. This is another. Oh, their picture's not there. Sorry folks, I may have another one of them coming up. I don't know For whatever reason it disappeared up. I don't know for whatever reason it disappeared. So this case, this is Andover also. No, I think Andover say no more Middlesex or Essex.

Anngelle Wood: 29:54

It might be Essex, but I'm not sure so different cold case unit if they have one. John and Geraldine McGee. They lived in Andover. They were found murdered in 2011. So they were married for almost 40 years. They ran a business. They had a construction company, Very successful by all accounts. When you delved into it, you found that they were pretty stand-up people. They didn't have employees who were angry at them. They seemed to be really decent business people who treated their employees really well. They lived in this fab house huge look at that giant house they lived in. They didn't have really anything sketchy, right?

Anngelle Wood: 30:42

so what? What were you able to put together for what happened for them?

Emily Sweeney: 30:47

Yeah, so I mean, this is another. It's a really bizarre case. So you know, they were found the morning of. You know, the next morning after they were shot, they were found in their home, shot to death by a family member who was coming over, and the night before they had a their black at Lexus SUV was discovered on fire on Prince Street, and then Boston's North End, which it's like what like.

Emily Sweeney: 31:21

I know it's hard to park there, but that's a little ridiculous very, and you don't even Wenzel s like car fires in the North End. Like you know what I mean. When's the last car fires in the North End? Like you know what is this? Like the 70s or something. That's why he bulges stuff.

Anngelle Wood: 31:33

Yeah. And so it was like this weird I don't know if, like they certainly, didn't make the connection until after right.

Emily Sweeney: 31:41

Right, right, they didn't figure it out, it was their vehicle. And what's really strange is that you know investigators have talked to, you know family members like, you know other companies, rivals like, and they haven't been able to find any enemies or anybody that they could. You know who would want them dead. And what's really strange is I keep thinking like did somebody get dropped off? So there must be another person who dropped off the shooter, because the shooter or somebody drove their lexus into the north end and torched it, or he took the commuter rail, which is actually kind of it's like a 50 solid 50 minutes, like two mile walk. There's two commuter rail stations. I was just looking at the map actually before coming here and I'm like did somebody take the commuter?

Anngelle Wood: 32:34

rail. That's the Haverhill line. I took it.

Emily Sweeney: 32:36

You know, and then shoot them and then take their car. So again another unsolved case Was anything stolen, not that I'm aware of. Yeah, I mean their car, and I'm not sure if there's any contents we're missing or anything, because it was on fire that's.

Anngelle Wood: 32:56

It's incredibly confounding. It's like so there was no reason. Not that I even try to understand why criminals do the things that they do, but to go there, go to this house, murder these people, brutally, steal their car, torch it like what was the driving force there.

Emily Sweeney: 33:20

There's got to be multiple people that know somebody got the killer out there or he took the commuter rail.

Anngelle Wood: 33:28

There was no Uber then. Well, maybe there was, but I doubt it.

Emily Sweeney: 33:32

Maybe he took a taxi, but was he hired by somebody?

Anngelle Wood: 33:36

That's again unsolved, then of course you look at all of the relatives. They had children. Their son was part of the business but they would have looked into that. And the son is grieving his parents just like everybody else in the family.

Emily Sweeney: 33:55

They would have made that connection by now right. Yeah, they haven't been able to. There's no leads.

Anngelle Wood: 34:05

What got you onto that case? I'm curious you know the SXDA.

Emily Sweeney: 34:09

actually Essex does handle this. One has brought it up, you know, usually on the anniversary, you know, because again it's such a frustrating case. They've interviewed so many people about it and especially with the North End, you know, the North End I mean, that's a place it's packed Always. Somebody's like like a big black SUV yeah like packed and then torched, like somebody must have you know seen something.

Anngelle Wood: 34:35

So and you figure there's so much surveillance on everything all of the time. We're surveilled all of the time yeah aside from that, I mean in 2011, everybody still had. You know, everybody had phones in 2011. You know, we started getting phones way before that.

Emily Sweeney: 34:54

Yeah.

Anngelle Wood: 34:56

Wow.

Emily Sweeney: 34:57

Bizarre.

Anngelle Wood: 34:59

So Jack and Jerry she went by, Jerry. That's their massive house. I couldn't even for a minute understand what it's like to live in something the size of a Home Depot.

Emily Sweeney: 35:13

Whenever I drive by a house that big, I'm usually like I wonder how much it costs to heat.

Anngelle Wood: 35:19

I don't like to clean my house. Can you imagine cleaning this son of a bitch? It's huge. It's like I saw the square footage when I was reading about this, but I forgot what it was it's got. I saw the square footage when I was reading about this, but I forgot what it was it's got to be like. Is it like 10,000 square feet or something ridiculous like that? It's gorgeous Bananas. All right, so we're going to move to. Thank you, emily.

Anngelle Wood: 35:43

We're going to move to some other cases that I want to make sure everybody is aware of. Jennifer Uguwa disappeared 10 years ago from Fall River. She's a 31-year-old woman. She moved here in, I believe, 2000, I need my cheat sheet 2001, from Kenya. She's one of seven siblings. Many of her siblings moved to the US.

Anngelle Wood: 36:17

May 27, 2014 was the last known sighting of her. I have a typo, sorry. A neighbor in her apartment building saw her. She was sitting in her car looking through paperwork and then no one saw her again. Her car was found early in the morning of the next day in a parking lot in North Attleboro. It was parked in a weird way, like somebody just sort vicinity of the entryway to a car wash. So I don't have any photographs of it, but I'm just trying to understand the image of what went into that. Did someone just pull that car in and run away and just leave it as it was? They ended up finding her keys and one of her shoes nearby. One story said thrown in the dumpster, but I didn't find that in some of the other stories. So we're going with. The keys and the shoe were nearby. Nobody saw anything. Nobody was aware of any.

Anngelle Wood: 37:48

I don't know major issues that Jennifer was having. She was working here as a nurse. There was one report, something that her sister was questioned and her sister said well, you know, she was working as a nurse and she enjoyed it, but she was thinking about a career change. So I'm wondering if that brought other people into her life. We just really don't know she was 31. Change, so I'm wondering if that brought other people into her life. We just really don't know. She was 31, so she would be. Oh, I forget when her birthday was. I think her birthday is in the summer, maybe August, so she'd be almost. You know she'd be going on 42. That's a major part of her life. You know her siblings are missing out on that. She has this very big family. You know, of course I always think about well, did she leave the US and go back to Kenya? There's no evidence of any of that, that she left, that she returned to her home country. Her apartment was in normal condition. They found her wallet, that paperwork that she was looking at, evidently in her car. Her license was in the car. The keys were nearby. No one has any explanation. I believe she was single. I believe that she was not dating anyone at that time, so they weren't even sure really who to question, don't we know? It's not all the time, but a lot of the time it's the partner, whoever somebody is involved with.

Anngelle Wood: 39:22

Here are some photos of her, just to get a different aspect. This is a beautiful picture of her. There's a full length. She was in someone's wedding. There's a full length. She was in someone's wedding. There's a full length. She must be somebody's bridesmaid. She's holding a bouquet in this.

Anngelle Wood: 39:37

She has six siblings. No one has heard from her since Now to be one of seven. I'm sure you probably have issues with your siblings, but I'm sure she didn't have issues with all of her siblings, so she would just disappear and never talk to any of them again. We don't know what happened. All right, here's a story that has been bugging me.

Anngelle Wood: 40:02

This is Bruce Crowley. He disappeared in Provincetown at the end of 2022. There are a couple of reasons why it bothers me, kay. So one he was living here in Malden when he disappeared. He's from Groveland, massachusetts, which is my original hometown. He left work on the 28th of December. He did not come to work the next day, the 29th. He didn't tell anyone where he was going. He ended up in P town. We know that because the innkeeper of the anchor Inn spoke to him and Bruce said I'm going to dinner with some friends. He is seen on surveillance at the end. I don't know if there's follow-up surveillance surveillance in a restaurant, I don't. I don't know where he may have gone to eat. There's a million places in P town to eat. Never seen again. His belongings were found in his room, his, his car was parked in a lot.

Anngelle Wood: 41:13

He was reported missing on January 4th by a family member. I could not find any information on Bruce for a year or more. He, very recently as of, I think February of this year, was entered into NamUs. That's why I feel comfortable talking about him on more of a public level, because sometimes when a family member goes missing, whatever happens, sometimes we never know. Sometimes they don't always issue a press release on what happened to their loved one. Sometimes the family just wants to keep it to themselves. Whatever may have happened, we don't, as public, public people. They have a right to do that. We may never find out what happens to someone who's missing.

Anngelle Wood: 41:59

You know, you see it on the internet well, we've been looking for that person, helping you find them, and you you should tell us, no, they don't. They don't have to tell us they really don't. So I looked for I would regularly look for information about Bruce Crowley. I didn't find anything until just earlier this year.

Anngelle Wood: 42:21

Interestingly, around the time that Bruce was reported missing, very early in January of 2023, another very big missing person's case was taking over media coverage. That is Anna Walsh, who disappeared in Cohasset. That aggravated me for a couple of reasons. Um, I think every missing person should get for a couple of reasons. I think every missing person should get that level of attention Every single. I don't care if it's a child who they say is a runaway. I don't care, it's a child. We need to find that child. I couldn't find anything and there's the link down there for his NamUs site. So Bruce is kind of a chameleon. He looks to every picture he looks different. So he's looking kind of sassy with his shades on. He looks very sort of medicinal and like a doctor in that one. So both Malden and Provincetown were actively searching for Bruce. But another typo sorry Bruce on January 13th of 2023, so we're looking at a year and a half ago. His case was transferred from Malden in Provincetown to the state police for the Cape and Islands. I don't know why.

Emily Sweeney: 43:50

Would you have any indication why they would do that, emily, usually so state police assigned to district attorney's offices are in charge of investigating deaths. So if he's, they sounds like they believe he's dead. For it to go to the DA, it's not good.

Anngelle Wood: 44:13

He had a lot going on. He was working in a hair salon, he was in recovery himself, he was working with a recovery organization where he also lived.

Emily Sweeney: 44:32

You know what's gone? Bizarre too, because you said he disappeared or he went down to P-Town in December and that's like way off season in the winter. I've been to P-Town in the summer when it's like crazy hopping. But from what I've been to P-Town in the summer, when it's like, you know, crazy happen, yeah, but from what I've heard it's a lot quieter and a lot of businesses are closed and only a few things are open. You know, fewer things are open that time of year and it's a very small town.

Anngelle Wood: 45:01

Yeah, and nothing's going on. I mean, there are people there. It's really weird. It's like bare bones. You know what I mean? It's like it's not packed with people working the bars. There are the people who live there year round, but that's who's there. There aren't people that are going to move to P-Town to go and work in December, is that right? 1,500. Wow, so the population of P10 is tripled.

Emily Sweeney: 45:33

So it's more happen than pre-pandemic days.

Anngelle Wood: 45:35

That's amazing. Thank you for that. I didn't know that. They think though there's no proof of it that he was there for New Year's Eve to celebrate New Year's Eve, but there's no evidence past that innkeeper seeing him at all. That's where he was last seen on surveillance, evidently past that innkeeper seeing him at all. That's where he was last seen on surveillance. Evidently he just disappeared off the face of the earth and he had a lot of connections. He was connected to many different things. He worked at a salon, he worked with a recovery organization, he worked for I think there was a third place that he was involved in, so for him to just go away and not be in contact with anyone. It's so concerning.

Anngelle Wood: 46:18

I did try to reach out to a relative. I mean, it's Facebook. People don't even sometimes see your messages. If you message someone that you're not friends with I don't know if she ever saw it, she didn't respond, so I took that as okay. You may not friends with. I don't know if she ever saw it. She didn't respond, so I took that as okay. You may not want to talk about it, but I discovered that he is now officially listed as a missing person.

Anngelle Wood: 46:47

So this case I want to tell you about this case. You ready for this one, it's so old, you can tell. This is another case where I couldn't find any information. I had heard through neighborhood pages, internet neighborhood pages, about this, this little boy who was found in the woods in Billerica, so Eddie Flynn, 1947, he was 12 years old. He was found murdered in the woods. His family had recently moved from Medford to Burlington, so Eddie was playing clarinet with his school band.

Anngelle Wood: 47:38

It blows my mind, even those of us who are like latchkey kids and ran around the neighborhood without shoes and never wore a helmet. He, at 12 years of age, was given 20 cents to take the bus, walked from his home you know Harriet Street in Burlington it's off Wynn Street for those of you who are familiar he walked down and was going to catch the bus to go from Burlington to Medford to his rehearsal. He had his clarinet. He disappeared. Nobody could find him. They found him the next day in the woods and I don't know if it's a story of, I really don't know what the town looked like back then in 1947. But he was found and the language around this it's the language is like sex slaying and sex slayer. It's like things that we would never even see written. And could you imagine writing a headline like kid killed by sex slayer?

Emily Sweeney: 48:42

It's so weird.

Anngelle Wood: 48:45

So they suspect. So you see the headlines milkman grilled and Bill Rick a sex slaying. There have been people of interest. Milkman Grilled and Bill Rick a sex slaying. There have been people of interest. One man, a man from Weymouth they called a sex degenerate which is my new band, by the way. Anybody want to join. He had fled Massachusetts and went I don't recall where I'll say Tennessee, for lack of I don't know who later died by suicide. His name was Eugene Leroy Leach. He had been employed at Tower Farm in Billerica at the time of the murder, which is not too terribly far from where the little boy was found.

Anngelle Wood: 49:28

So this plaque right here. I took this picture. This plaque exists in Billerica for this little boy. Oh wow, it's in this really weird spot. So I forget the main road. I want to say it's off River Street and it's off a side road and like somebody's house, it sort of it looks as though it's like a driveway for somebody's house. I can't remember how many houses are on it, there's at least one but this, and I didn't get a very good picture of it to tell you what it says, but it's dedicated to Edward Flynn, who died in 1947 at the age of 12. I don't think it says sex degenerate on it at all. I don't think there's any of that weird language on it.

Anngelle Wood: 50:13

But this little guy was I just my mind's blown given the information I've learned about the story. But the fact that I mean Medford, burlington, to Medford for a 12-year-old, isn't that really like, really really far for a little boy to go? I mean, I don't know if this is the way he was used to it, I don't know if this is. You know, he was one of four children, he was the oldest of four kids. So I don't know, I don't know how his family ruled, but he had his. When he was found he had his clarinet with him. When he was found, he had his clarinet with him.

Anngelle Wood: 50:53

Oh, and one important point that all of my, you know, looking into these really old newspapers, said they think that he decided to keep the 20 cents to buy candy or ice cream and accepted a ride from one of those sex degenerates. So clearly somebody must have said hey, little boy, I'll give you a ride from one of those sex degenerates. So clearly somebody must have said hey, little boy, I'll give you a ride. And he decided to take whomever this person was up on the ride. Horrible things happened to this little guy. After it is unsolved, despite the fact that they have these people of interest and they say, well, maybe this farmer was involved. There was a letter that he sent to his wife when he fled saying he did horrible things and he was gonna come back to Massachusetts and go to the police and talk to the police. He didn't do any of that. He took his own life.

Emily Sweeney: 51:56

Did he?

Anngelle Wood: 51:56

do it. We'll never know.

Emily Sweeney: 52:02

Do you know how far he made it? His body was found still in town, right, his body was found in Billerica.

Anngelle Wood: 52:09

So he was leaving from Burlington, Burlington to Billerica. So he was leaving from Burlington, Burlington to Billerica is I don't know 15 minutes, Okay, so it wasn't. What's that? Oh, it's absolutely the opposite direction. So whomever picked him up brought him somewhere else. And if it is this farmer, milkman guy, the sex degenerate, he knew the area pretty well and everything was all farms then. So even this area where this little guy was found was probably just open fields. Any of the houses there were probably not there at the time. I think it was people hunting, maybe, or fishing that found them. You know one of those horrible stories where you know someone's just minding their own business and they come across a dead body.

Anngelle Wood: 53:08

I wish that on absolutely no one. I wish that on absolutely no one. Wow. So yeah, that is in that plaque. That little memorial is there in Billerica. I am surprised I found it, because I just sort of guessed where it was.

Anngelle Wood: 53:25

I'll have to go back and read it, because I did not find a photograph anywhere on the internet that actually showed me what it said. Okay, we have. How are we doing for time? We're doing. Okay, this person this is one of those unidentified cases. It's a heartbreaking case. Ten years ago, this boy we don't know how old this guy was. He has since been called the man of the dunes, like the lady of the dunes whose case was finally solved All of these years later. Cases do get solved, I promise.

Anngelle Wood: 54:04

So the remains of this man were found June 4th 2014, so just 10 years ago, by someone walking along Town Neck Beach minding their own business. And boom, there's this horrible scene. But he was not intact. It was a torso, head, limbs removed. So whoever did this monster? Wrapped in a tarp and strapped to a moving dolly. So the way he was found incredibly awful, and he was found behind like a jersey barrier in the beach parking lot. So I'm trying to remember if I've been to this beach in Sandwich I'm sure I have, I just can't remember where. I mean, I don't know if it's, it might be very different 10 years later.

Anngelle Wood: 54:59

So what they think is that he was six feet tall, 230 pounds. He had a long surgical scar, possibly from hernia surgery, on his abdomen. They have no idea how old he was, so that by itself is a huge problem. But then they have a snapshot a DNA snapshot, where they give us a little bit more information, but we still don't know. It still doesn't really give us any more. A couple of things that could help. This is the dolly and this shirt he was wearing. He had this shirt on, he was wearing black sweatpants and this shirt is the only identifying thing about the whole thing. It's from a Cranston industrial business in Warwick, rhode Island. They couldn't trace any of this too, because supposedly this was some kind of promotional T-shirt that hundreds of people hundreds of people got.

Anngelle Wood: 56:06

He is on NamUs. They have DNA, okay, somebody somewhere knows. But it's heartbreaking to think that somebody's loved one was found like this and is unclaimed and unnamed. It's like Ruth Marie Terry, the Lady of the Dunes that was found in Provincetown. She had no identity for all of these years until she was finally identified last year and she was buried in the Province Town Cemetery, which I think was so lovely that the people of Province Town buried her. They gave her a grave and it was like the unknown woman Lady of the Dunes, and that has. Since she has been identified. That marker has been changed to give her an identity and despite the fact that her murder was is technically unsolved, they do believe it was her husband, who's also dead. He got out of that. So those are the cases that I have prepared for you. I'm going to click through a couple of things and then we'll answer some questions. We'll talk about whatever you want.

Anngelle Wood: 57:20

Andy Puglisi missing boy went missing in 1976. Disappeared without a trace. How does a little boy swimming at the town pool disappear without a trace? Well, we suspect that it's probably not, unlike the Eddie Flynn story, where there were some sex degenerates in the neighborhood. It's been proven. There were a number of Things are different now with the advent of the internet and how people get information and trade information. But back in the 70s in particular, it was a really dangerous time for children on the street. People were being Children, were being pulled off the street and trafficked. I mean we didn't use the term sex trafficking back then, but children who were pulled into these lifestyles I don't want to call it a lifestyle because that's not even fair but they were called child prostitutes, which is not a thing. Children aren't. They can't consent to that stuff.

Anngelle Wood: 58:37

Melanie Melanson, wilbur, massachusetts, went missing in 1989. Her family has a lot of I'll call them theories. Her family believes they know what happened to her and they want the people who know who were there with her. She was at a kid party in the woods. Something bad happened to her. Two men in particular who were said to have been with her said I don't know he was the last one they did this. He was with her. He was the last one they did this. He was with her. Those two men still around, still local, still getting in trouble, unsolved.

Anngelle Wood: 59:23

Deanna Kremen, somerville, massachusetts. This is I mean, all of these cases are infuriating. 1995, living in Somerville, walking. The story is that she went to her boyfriend's house, called her mom and said Mom, I'm going to be late, I'll be home shortly. Her boyfriend said he walked her halfway home. Not very far, maybe a mile, half a mile. You know what Somerville's like. It's just block after block. She didn't make it home. She was found by children the next day in a parking lot. The kids were taking a cut through to go to school and she was found. She was sexually assaulted, strangled and left there. She loved kids. That is not what she would have wanted. She would not have wanted those little children to find her like that. Deanna Kremen, still unsolved to this day, don't know about the boyfriend. Quite sure he's been questioned. He's had his own trouble subsequent to what happened with Deanna Rita Hester.

Anngelle Wood: 1:00:36

Rita Hester was murdered in her apartment in Alston.

Anngelle Wood: 1:00:39

She was 34 years old, lived in Alston for a number of years, had moved here from Connecticut where her family is was.

Anngelle Wood: 1:00:49

She came here to live more comfortably as a trans woman and she was back in the 80s and 90s when she was here. You know when she first moved here, yeah, there were lots of snickers for this big, beautiful, you know, black woman who was living as a trans woman, but a lot of people were very accepting of her. A lot of people in the music community in particular were accepting of her. She went to rock clubs, she hung out at the dive bars, but she also went to jocks where she would do drag and perform. So she was somebody that was living with different communities the rock community, the drag community, the LGBTQ plus community. You know, certainly we didn't use that language then. It was very different, we didn't use any of this language. Then she got called, I'm sure, every horrible name. She was murdered in her apartment, unsure what happened, nothing was taken. We can suspect that she came back home, for maybe she brought someone back home to get something or to.

Emily Sweeney: 1:02:02

I don't know, have fun.

Anngelle Wood: 1:02:04

And the police when she was discovered. When somebody called the police, the police came, but they didn't go into her apartment right away. So could Rita have survived the 20 stab wounds to her chest? It's possible if the police had gone in sooner to take her out of her apartment and bring her to the hospital. She died on the way to the hospital, unsolved to this day. Somebody knows something Emily featured Charlene. Want to talk a little bit about Charlene in the conversation. Yeah, you wrote about her very recently.

Emily Sweeney: 1:02:44

Yeah, Angela, and you were the one that introduced me to this case. Yeah, and when I heard about it I was like what A young woman found murdered in Union Square. You know, anybody's been to Union Square? You know how like bustling that place is like what how could that happen?

Anngelle Wood: 1:03:01

I can't believe that she was in the story of Charlene is. She was missing for a number of days. She had borrowed her dad's car. She was missing for a number of days and they found her car in a parking lot in Union Square.

Emily Sweeney: 1:03:19

She was. How long was she there that no one noticed there was a woman dead in a car? Six days she was missing. It was six days, yeah. So you know she was a friend. She was looking to buy a car and a friend said that they knew somebody that was selling a Lexus for a good deal. Like you know, it's a $6,000 Lexus. She might be able to get it for $4,000. So she had $4,000 in cash with her and that cash was gone when they found her body. So it was clear it was a you, a setup, and you know there's definitely the chance that multiple people there might be a witness to, because the way you know she was shot from like the back, somebody in the back seat, so some somebody's probably in the passenger seat, possibly mm-hmm, and the fact that's like a friend of a friend. You know what I mean like Like the six degrees it's not even six degrees of separation, that's really interesting.

Anngelle Wood: 1:04:14

You say that because I didn't put that together right away. Like somebody said, I have a car for a sweet deal. Charlene had money saved in the bank for this car.

Emily Sweeney: 1:04:31

Yeah, when I talked to her sister too. You know she was supposed to be in her sister's wedding. You know when she went missing, and so the poor sister had to get married. You know what I mean in this tumultuous time and you know, obviously the family's never been the same. But, yeah, the fact that she was found in such a busy spot. And Angela, yeah, like I said, I had never even heard of her case until you covered it. So I've got to thank you for Well, thank you for doing it.

Anngelle Wood: 1:05:03

This happens, we see this. There is this thing called, you know, missing white woman syndrome. I believe everybody deserves the same amount of attention when they go missing. And to that point when I'm sure most of us, or all of us, have heard the story of Gabby Petito, who went missing and was found murdered, and it's a very horrible story about how the boyfriend was suspected of doing it and they found information where he confessed in his notebooks and he came back to his parents' house and his parents allegedly helped him cover it up. And when Gabby went missing it was huge media wall-to-wall coverage and her family was very uncomfortable. Of course they're mourning, they're very uncomfortable by all of're they're mourning, they're very uncomfortable by all of the attention and they want to know what's up with their daughter. And you know, finally they did find out what happened to her. But they were really bothered by the level of attention that Gabby got versus other people who were missing at the same time. And Gabby Petito's family has since been working to amplify more people of color, women of color in particular. So that's to their credit. Nobody really knew. I didn't really know anything about Charlene until I started just reading about cases.

Anngelle Wood: 1:06:36

Brittany T this is a confounding story. I know that you've been. Dubs has been talking a lot about this and you have some. You have a relationship with some of her family members. This is a confounding story because this is not anything like any of her relatives know of her. She just disappeared. She walked away from her home in Brookfield Massachusetts with nothing. She had the clothes on her back right, nothing else. Her phone. That's it. She's gone.

Anngelle Wood: 1:07:12

No trace of her whatsoever to her family. Does her family have ideas about some people who could have been involved? Yes, you're not in. Yes, okay, we will talk about that. Okay. Karina Homer, boston, massachusetts. Karina's anniversary is coming up on Saturday, which is also my birthday.

Anngelle Wood: 1:07:35

This is why this case has resonated with me for a long time. There's a couple of reasons. It's in Boston and I love being from Boston and being a Massachusetts person. She was 20 years old. She came here from Sweden. She was here for three months. She was working as a nanny, didn't love the nanny job On the weekends. She got this bonus. How she got to stay in? Her employers, the people that she nannied for. The man had a photography studio in South Boston. She got to stay there on the weekends so she partied hard when she was here.

Anngelle Wood: 1:08:12

She disappeared. She was found the next day. Part of her was found in a dumpster on the corner of Boylston and Ipswich. Yeah, so down, not quite the Fenway, but down near the Fenway. So half of a person is found. The other half of the person is never found.

Anngelle Wood: 1:08:41

My mind goes to this had to have been a horrible scene. Wherever this happened. There's no evidence. There's no evidence. There's no one who said, oh yeah, so-and-so was acting really strange or so-and-so, or I saw so-and-so, or I saw her. There's a lot of rumors and conjecture that goes on behind this case, but no one has any real hard evidence. People will say, well, she was seen at Store 24 on Mass Ave. No, she wasn't. She wasn't. We don't have any evidence of that.

Anngelle Wood: 1:09:27

Karina Homer, 20-year-old girl here from Sweden for three months, ends up murdered. Only half of her is found. Her parents are in Europe. She has nobody here to advocate for her at all. Her parents aren't here. No one's here to put the pressure on. Reina Morales-Rojas have you heard her story? She's been missing from Somerville. She's a woman who moved here from El Salvador. Her family's there. Her children are there. She has a bit of a community here.

Anngelle Wood: 1:10:01

But we did not know that Raina disappeared. She disappeared in November. We didn't hear about her disappearance until January. We didn't know that she was missing and the only reason why we found out that she was missing is because her friends in her community of East Boston started to say Anna Walsh is on the news all the time. How come you're not talking about Raina? And I don't mean to keep bringing Anna Walsh up like she doesn't deserve it. She definitely does deserve it, but she was the only person anybody talked about. Where is Reina? We just we simply don't know.

Anngelle Wood: 1:10:42

I think that's the end, ta-da, okay, thank you everyone. So we have some time. I'm happy to talk about whatever you want to talk about. What's on your mind? I think Karina Homer's case is definitely solvable. They have at least a partial fingerprint that they lifted off a trash bag In time. I think that I mean, that's how that cold case the Natalie Shublin case from Bedford from 1971, that's how her case got solved was a thumbprint away and they found the car in the VA parking lot in Bedford, which is you could actually walk from the Shublin's house to the VA where the car was. If someone gets yeah, if somebody gets away with something, it's I think it's kind of just luck for some of these people. They're not masterminds, one of the things.

Anngelle Wood: 1:11:52

So there are many things that I'm learning about in this true crime world that I've found myself in. Advocacy is a big part of what I wanna do and what I'm working for and thinking about these families and the people involved. Another thing I'm learning about is legislative advocacy and changing the laws, because the average? I don't know this. I don't know this, this data, data. I say it two different ways. I don't know all the statistics and the data like by heart, but I know people who do. Do you know that the average age of someone who who comes to terms with sexual abuse is in their 50s and at that point in time, statute of limitations have or are expiring?

Anngelle Wood: 1:12:42

We need to wipe out statute of limitations for child sexual abuse because when someone finally comes to terms, or someone's finally brave enough or someone recognizes this, it's really hard. I've seen grown men cry in legislative committees. It's heartbreaking, but we need to change that. That's one of the things that's on the table. Things that's on the table. We're trying to. Not I mean, I'm, I'm a little tiny cog in this big you know, this big I don't. It's not really even a movement, but it's there there. We have to change. There are laws that have to change because we have to protect all of these people.

Anngelle Wood: 1:13:27

You have grown. You have adults that are in their 50s who have had just such painful lives because they haven't even been able to really, they haven't even been able to come to terms. You have people that are, you know, dying by suicide and have drug addiction and they have alcohol. You know abuse problems and they have all. They have a host of issues, but a lot of times it starts with being abused as a kid and it's a horrible crime. But it's real. We talk about these, the Revere, and then somebody brought up Nambla. It was a movement where I'm sure it still exists, because all of this dark shit exists, because the shit, all of this dark shit exists on the internet.

Anngelle Wood: 1:14:17

I always I think about this and I think about little kids. When I see a little kid riding their bike alone on the side of the road, I think two things. I think, oh, how awesome that a kid's riding a bike and not sitting on their phone or playing a video game. Second thing is I want to protect that kid from being pulled off the street by some sexual deviance. I just I see, when I see little kids driving down on their bikes just having fun being a kid, I'm afraid for them Because generally parents don't really do that anymore, not like the way we grew up.

Anngelle Wood: 1:14:52

We were just like. Parents don't really do that anymore, not like the way we grew up, we were just like I remember as a little kid I lived in a really I lived in Groveland, massachusetts, not far from where you grew up. Nothing happened there, nothing happens now. It wouldn't have taken much for some one of these you know, pedo sexual deviants to drive through our neighborhood and see all of us kids. And it's too bad, because some people just are naturally just very kind and nice, they just want to talk to you, but then you have all of this other stuff. That's like what do you let your kids do? What do you let them do? Any other questions, folks, we had a good time First day of summer group. Thanks for coming. So there was a question posed for you. Somebody emailed me a question for you and they said did you get any leads or tips from when you did your show, when you did the TV show?

Emily Sweeney: 1:15:51

Oh, the TV show on Kathy Malcolmson. Thanks, I'm not sure what case they were referring to. I'm not sure either, but you know, since starting the cold case files in general, like there has been tips that have gone in to police about different cases and people have been interviewed by detectives. So yeah, I'm hoping that there will be more. You know, with every story and people have been interviewed by detectives.

Anngelle Wood: 1:16:17

So yeah, I'm hoping that there will be more, you know, with every story. How often are you featuring a new story?

Emily Sweeney: 1:16:25

I'm trying to do it as much as possible. Right now it's at least monthly.

Anngelle Wood: 1:16:31

And you can subscribe to Emily's newsletter. You can just go to. I have it linked on. You know my socials, but if you were just to Google Emily Sweeney cold case files, you can get an email sent to you regularly. So you get it in your inbox.

Emily Sweeney: 1:16:48

Yeah, and Bostoncom has started posting the stories as well, so that way a paywall isn't keeping people away from reading.

Anngelle Wood: 1:16:56

That's a really good point. I do subscribe to the Globe, but it's a really good point Thank you, so we'll give you a tip. Newspaperscom has a wealth of information. They have some really. I mean the information I shared about Eddie Flynn, that little boy from 1947, I would only have gotten most of that, all of that information, from newspaperscom, because it's an archive and you can get access to the Globe.

Emily Sweeney: 1:17:25

Yeah, the Globe is our archive.

Anngelle Wood: 1:17:27

Current day Globe stories. I mean newspapercom. It is a subscription but you get access to a lot of papers.

Emily Sweeney: 1:17:36

Yes, and the Boston Globe is a promotion now. It's like, I think, 99 cents for like six months, a very long period of time. That's really good.

Anngelle Wood: 1:17:45

Alright, thank you everyone. This was fun. This is always fun to sit here and just talk about cases and do little you know back and forth. Yeah, thank you. Thanks, angel, for having me.

Emily Sweeney: 1:17:58

Thank you, Emily.

Anngelle Wood: 1:18:03

Thank you.

Emily Sweeney: 1:18:04

Faces Nice and done.

Anngelle Wood: 1:18:11

Thank you, Emily. Thank you Faces Brewing in Malden. Thank you to all of you who came out. More live shows in the fall. I am investigating different venues to go to libraries, spaces with a decent sound system that can accommodate this kind of media and this kind of audience. It's special.

Anngelle Wood: 1:18:39

Follow Crime of the Truest Kinds online, crimeofthetruestkindcom. At Crime of the Truest Kinds, I will be making updates from True Crime Podcast Festival next week. We'll be making updates from True Crime Podcast Festival. Next week. I am hosting a panel discussion. We will be talking about have you Seen Andy? The story of, and the HBO documentary have you Seen Andy? About the little boy Andy Puglisi, who disappeared from Lawrence, Massachusetts, in 1976.

Anngelle Wood: 1:19:12

Follow the show for Massachusetts and New England true crime, regional history, a little snark and my continued focus on advocacy, advocating for victims of crime and their families. Thank you, Emily Sweeney. We will do more together. Subscribe to Emily's newsletter. The link is up in the show notes and at crimeofthetruestkindcom. Thank you for listening. Happy summertime. I will be back with you very soon. I'm kind of always with you on the internet, on the social pages. I'm kind of always with you on the internet, on the social pages. I saw a post recently on a neighborhood board where someone shared ring camera footage about someone, two people, actually walking up to their front porch and trying to get into their front door.

Anngelle Wood: 1:20:07

I know this happens a lot and I close this episode the way I close every episode Lock your goddamn doors. We'll be right back. We'll see you next time.