North Shore Crime Cases Live - Recorded at Off Cabot, Beverly, Mass

Our live shows have become something special. We have enjoyed hosting them and plan many more in the year ahead because it is important to share empathetic storytelling, to keep these stories alive as time passes and victims of these stories are being forgotten about. Special thanks to Sean and Stephanie and the Brodie family.

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Join us for a captivating journey as we navigate true crime with some of the North Shore of Massachusetts' most perplexing crime cases with compassion and advocacy. In this episode, recorded live on October 10, 2024 at Off Cabot in Beverly, Mass, we take an emotional exploration of some of the most poignant crime stories covered by Crime of the Truest Kind, and others we are learning about. Our live events offer a sence of community, where stories and insights are shared in an intimate setting.

Shedding light on the cases of Marcia Biancardi, a Beverly teenager killed by her own mother, Martha Brailsford, a talented Salem artist whose life ended in 1991, by someone she called a friend, a focus on the pressing issue of domestic violence with stories of young mother Nayeli Nieves of Salem killed and discarded by her partner, 14-year-old girl Amy Carnevale of Beverly, lured and brutally murdered by someone she thought she loved, Beth Brodie, from my hometown of Groveland, whose kindness was taken advantage of by a former classmate whose obsession turned deadly, and Kristen Gove Crowley, a beautiful young woman stalked by two men who decided they would take what they wanted from her, following her to her Peabody home and attacking her in the woods and leaving her to die.

Other cases we intend to cover: Claire Gravel, Beverly. Caleigh Harrison, Rockport, Michael O’Gorman, Gloucester, Lois Centofanti, Lynn, Jesus De La Cruz, Lynn, Susan Taraskiewicz, Saugus, Dickson “Joel” De Los Reyes, Revere, Elaine Donahue, Revere, Leigh Savoie, Revere, Henry Bedard Jr, Swampscott, Leanne Redden, Lynn, Beryl Atherton, Marblehead

These tragedies highlight the enduring impact on families in our communities and how we honor these victims, we say their names, and advocate for empathy, awareness, and change.

Chapters

• 0:00 Crime of the Truest Kind Live
• 17:24 Tragic Cases of Murder and Abuse
• 25:46 Teenage Tragedies
• 41:23 Unforgivable Crimes
• 50:54 Unsolved Crimes and True Crime Ethics
• 57:46 Crime Merchandise Announcement

Transcript

Anngelle Wood : 0:00

Well, hello, my name is Anngell Wood and this is Crime of the Truest Kind. Well, to say it has been an interesting couple of weeks is quite the understatement. Our live shows have become pretty great. What I mean is they're special, intimate, interactive, a meetup of listeners and I don't know local crime aficionados. People bring their own stories, which are also great to hear. I met several people at the last Off Cabot show who had connections to some of the cases that I spoke about, including the family members of one of the cases included in the show. I had a few moments. We felt some feelings.

Anngelle Wood : 1:07

I went back and forth with what I should include and what should go out of this live show segment, starting with the inaudible parts of the recording that weren't intended for sharing. I did some editing to make it a little bit more palatable to you, the listener. It's heavy subject matter but important information to share, and the shows are really lovely and I've enjoyed doing them. So I have split this in two parts. I have included the presentation and the second half is the Q&A where we were able to capture almost all of the audio, which is tough with a room full of people. Information about all of the cases I cover, posted at crimeofthetruestkindcom on the episodes page, including the slides that were used as part of the presentation. If you want the entire feed, it's available for patrons on Patreon unedited, in all its glory. Thank you to all our patrons on Patreon, including Lisa McColgan, superstar EP, and our friends who support via.

Anngelle Wood : 2:31

Give the dog a bone, drop a tip in the jar. You are truly and actually giving my spoiled dogs a bone. My name is Angelle Wood. This is Crime of the Truest Kind Massachusetts and New England crime stories. Follow the show at Crime of the Truest Kind, tell your friends about it, share it on social media, leave a five star rating and review on Apple podcasts. I would be most appreciative. Would be most appreciative. People ask me pretty regularly when a new live show will be scheduled. Nothing for the remainder of this year. I definitely have new things in store for 2025, including other locations, and I welcome your suggestions. I split the live show in two parts. This is part one, the presentation. Part two, you will see, is the bonus, including the Q&A.

Anngelle Wood : 3:35

Episode 74, North Shore Crime Cases recorded live at Off Cabot in Beverly, Massachusetts.

Anngelle Wood : 4:00

(Applause) I should add that Chris is the set designer and I did not bring these feathers from home, but you are extraordinary. Never forget it. All right, well, thank you everybody for being here, and so many of you have never been to Off Cabot before. Thank you for coming it before. Thank you for coming. I have been doing this for about three and a half years and I started to do live shows and it's worked out. You seem to be pretty into it. Yeah, you're all here, so that says something A little bit about me.

Anngelle Wood : 4:43

For those of you who aren't aware, I do a podcast. I talk about New England crime stories. There's a little history thrown in there, because I like that a little snark, try to keep that to a minimum. I can sometimes make some jokes, but never at the expense of the victims or their families. I can make fun of perpetrators, I can make fun of anything associated with that, but never at the expense of anybody who's directly involved with any of these things, because, keep in mind, these are some of the worst days of people's lives, so I'm very mindful about that.

Anngelle Wood : 5:19

I started my career on radio. Everybody here seems to be of the age where you know what radio is. Thank you for being here. You might have children or grandchildren that say what's radio. Well, we know we're a special group of people. I worked at a radio station WFNX. Some of you here on the North Shore might know that I worked at a station called WBCN RIP, wbcn. It is no more. I worked for a radio station that does still exist, but before they played Billy Joel. I like Billy Joel, but it was a thing. Wzlx is still in existence.

Anngelle Wood : 6:00

So I've done all these things and my passion for radio has shifted. I mean, I love my time in existence. So I've done all these things and my passion for radio has shifted. I mean, I love my time in radio. I loved it was great, but radio is very different. And when I started podcasting a lot of the things that I learned in my radio life, they came in very handy. When I decided to try this true crime thing Researching, writing, you know, the production stuff came pretty easily. I'm not afraid to talk on a mic and I love New England, so being able to do all of these things together it was really great.

Anngelle Wood : 6:39

And then I started learning about advocacy and what that is, because when I first started doing true crime I was probably like a lot of you, I consumed all of it. I love, you know nonfiction, read the books, watched the documentaries I still do Netflix, all of these things but I didn't really understand everything that it entailed, and when I say that I mean the impact of what happens to the people that are in these stories. These are not our stories. We borrow these stories and we should take very good care of them. So when I talk about these cases, I do it very, I try to do it very respectfully and I try to learn from all of it.

Anngelle Wood : 7:25

So am I the kind of podcaster who wants to crack a case? Well, sure, I would love to be able to help a case, but I'm not an investigator, I'm definitely not a cop, surprise but I care about it, but I care about it. So I try to learn and I have surrounded myself with a lot of other very knowledgeable and interesting people in this true crime space who have taught me things, particularly how to advocate for other people. So if I can share anything with you and I'll give you a little call to action, a little take-home when we're done but if I can share anything with all of you who are interested in true crime, like I am, because I really am, I'm not going to pretend that I'm some stuffy sanctimonious person. I watch all the shit on Netflix. I will tell you what I do. I watch it all. My husband says really Can we not watch a murder show tonight? He's right there rolling sound. Thank you, Paul Gallo, but I do like it.

Anngelle Wood : 8:30

And I do want to say this about advocacy we can all be advocates every single one of us in this room because you can share some information on the Internet. Somebody's missing. The most important thing we can do is try to get attention on that case immediately, to try to find that person, because we know it's very serious at the start of whatever it is. However, whatever the details are surrounding that person's disappearance we're not really sure yet, but we really try to get the word out and hopefully it turns out the way we hope it does that that person is found, they come back to their family and then that information can go away forever and as civilians we are not obligated, or no one's obligated, to tell us what happened to that person. So I feel like I am getting a little sanctimonious right now and I don't mean to. But you are all advocates in this room. You can all help be a part of supporting that family supporting that missing person. We all want the right thing to happen. We want that person to come home safely and if that entails us never hearing another thing about it, well, that's the right of the family to not tell us what happened. A child went missing. They were found, you don't need to know why. That kid's safe. End of discussion. And people have said to me online I've said okay, well, we don't need to know. Well, I do, I was very invested in this and I shared the thing. Thank you for doing that. But now we're going to let the family deal with what they're dealing with. So you're all advocates in this room. That means if something happens to someone and you really care about it, we want you to take action and try to help that family. Thanks, you're all advocates. Thank you for coming. Good night. Well, thank you for being here.

Anngelle Wood : 10:19

When I talked about this date, I had some people ask me what I was going to talk about and I said, well, what do you want to talk about? Because I'll talk about whatever you want, as long as it's, you know, relevant to what I do on the show and relevant to, you know, new England. And we will do a Q&A at the end. If you have any questions, you want to hear about anything, you want to talk about stuff, we'll open it up to you. And I got some feedback about well, you're on the North Shore, maybe you should talk about North Shore cases. I'm like, great idea, let's do it. So this is my podcast Massachusetts and New England True Crime Regional History, advocacy Focus. My name is Anngelle Wood. If you did not know, I do a podcast. Now you know this story I learned about over the last couple of days.

Anngelle Wood : 11:05

I was not aware of this case based in Beverly, Massachusetts, in 1990. Has anyone in here heard the case of Marcia Biancardi? Are you from Beverly? Yeah, so you probably heard this growing up. Right, it happens on 39 Livingstone Street, which is about a five-minute drive from where we sit right now. Marsha Susan Biancardi was 16 years old. She died February 14, 1990.

Anngelle Wood : 11:35

When word reached her high school over the PA, remember when they did that in high school, when all of the announcements came over the PA and staff and students learned that she died. They were shocked, of course, but even more confused when they learned that they were saying that it was at her own hand that she hurt herself and her friends were like there's absolutely no way. There's no way that that happened. There's no way that she did this. She was 16. She was cheering, she was starting to sing in the choral group or the choir, whatever they called it in Beverly High in 1990. They just knew there's no way this happened.

Anngelle Wood : 12:21

And for those of you who grew up in the 80s, did your hair look like this? Because mine did. I have the pictures to prove it. They couldn't figure out for the life of them what happened. And why, why, how, how, how, how. I mean that's the questions all of us would ask, right, if our friend, we learned this about our friend and then we feel guilty and did we miss the signs? And things were very different in 1990 about what we thought about this and what we called it, and the language has changed and all of these things. The questions loomed about how Marcia this you know, probably petite 16-year-old girl could have taken a shotgun and shot herself in her abdomen. There are all the questions associated with that how she did that, how she reached the trigger. She had no gunpowder residue on her hands. I'm not CSI, but we've seen enough episodes to know like you check their hands and you go under there. But police suspected something because just the nature of the case and Audrey, Marcia's sister told friends right after this that she was afraid. She was afraid of her mom At 14,. She was witness to a great deal of trauma and the words that she shared with her friends made it back to authorities. And, of course, authorities were already on top of this and they were investigating it.

Anngelle Wood : 13:53

And you see the cover of the Daily Evening Item, which is confusing. Is it night or day? What do you want it to be? I think they have since changed it right. Well, you figured out that the mom was charged.

Anngelle Wood : 14:05

The relationship between mother and older daughter was hard, 16 years old. I remember when I was 16 years old. I'm sure I was an asshole, but what was also going on is there was problems with the parents' marriage. It was very stressful and the mom was dealing with mental health issues and I'm not even going to begin to try to laundry list what they were. We're thinking probably a bipolar situation or something like that. Again, the language was different then. I believe a number of reports said manic depression. We don't call it that anymore.

Anngelle Wood : 14:43

Susan Bian cardi was just 42. Imagine this for a minute. 42 seems so young to get arrested and go to prison, and that's what happened to Susan Bi ncardi. She was charged with first-degree murder. She faced life in prison. Her surviving daughter stood by her mother because she believed that her mom was very sick and she thought that if she could get her mom help, maybe that would change the situation and she would still have her mom.

Anngelle Wood : 15:15

The defense used the insanity claim, which doesn't really work in court, much does it. She was found they were the jury the first trial. The jury rejected that claim. She was sentenced to life in prison and then that was overturned. There was a new trial based on where they gave her a second chance based on the instructions that were given to the jury on the first trial.

Anngelle Wood : 15:48

As I understand it, the jury wasn't aware of the fact that to say that she's not guilty by reason of mental defect or insanity, that she wasn't going to walk free because nobody on this jury wanted her to just go home and continue life, who would she? She murdered her child and I should also add that she also tried to shoot her younger daughter, who was 14 at the time, audrey, but there was a misfire. So, audrey, imagine that for a moment the trauma of her seeing what happened with her sister and then her mother making the same attempt on her, and then the mom she witnessed her mom trying to do the same to herself Two misfires. But it's very traumatic for this child. She was re -sentenced. She was sent to the mental health unit at MCI Framingham. Her first bid for parole was denied in 2007 because she did not seem sorry, she didn't remember. She claimed she didn't remember any of it, she didn't seem remorseful. But then in 2010, she was granted parole and, like a lot of Massachusetts people do, she moved to Florida. I think I believe she's still alive. Where the other daughter is, I don't know. She has a right to privacy, so I didn't try to dig too terribly much into that. So I had never heard the story before until I started researching for this show tonight.

Anngelle Wood : 17:24

Beverly 1990. Beverly 1990. This is one of the cases that I got a request for. This is one of the cases that was. I get a lot of requests to talk about Martha Brailsford and we're going to do that. Martha, a talented artist, lived in Salem, was she? Oh, so you knew her well. Oh, I'm so sorry. She seems amazing. I mean, she seems like an incredibly talented lady.

Anngelle Wood : 17:54

Did you know this other person responsible? Oh my gosh, I know, I know that's good news, right, and he did that a lot, didn't he? He got a lot of chances at that, didn't he? They were friends, they were friendly, right, and he convinced her to go sailing on his I think anybody that has a big boat that boat's probably pretty magnificent. July 12, 1991,. The man's name was Thomas Maimone, did I get it right? He was 46. Pretty young guy, engineer, living in Salem, worked for Parker Brothers Games Board games. We all know what board games are. We're a mature, smart, kind people.

Anngelle Wood : 18:43

She agreed she went on the boat for a sail. Now we won't really know much else that happens, because the only information that we really have is from the perpetrator, and he has been called a pathological liar in just about everything that I've read about him. She was last seen boarding his 28 foot sailboat counterpoint at the Salem Willows at the pier. Her husband came home from work that Friday night. She wasn't there. It looked like she hadn't been there for a while. I mean, we know each other's habits, right? You live with somebody for a long time, you know what they do. There was no sign that she had been home. He knew Maimone went to question him, knew that they had seen each other earlier that day. He agreed yeah, I saw her, but I haven't seen her since. He said he had seen her but denied anything past that. Then Maimone was questioned by police and I got this. You know you can't see. Oh, you can. I pulled this little map from one of the archives where you see the willows and then you see eventually where she will be found. When questioned by police, he first said that the weather turned rough and Martha got off at Winter Island and whatever he did, he sailed on his merry way, I don't know.

Anngelle Wood : 20:16

Six days passed and Martha was found by a lobsterman fishing off the coast of Marblehead. She was unrecognizable due to she had been in the water for a week. She appeared to have been naked. She had a diving belt around her body with an anchor tied around her ankle. Investigators believe she was killed because she refused this man's advances. Now this man had reportedly, as I understand it had had taken other women for sales that lived. Another one of his. Pardon, any misspellings? There's no spell check on this program. Another explanation was that a rogue wave hit the boat. The mast hit Martha and she fell overboard. I don't know, I've never sailed a sailboat surprise in Salem Harbor, but does a rogue wave just well up in Salem Harbor? Anybody here who's nautical can please tell me that that's the case.

Anngelle Wood : 21:23

Again, he was called a pathological liar. He spun several versions, once claiming to have pulled her out of the water after she had drowned. At one point he said he had given her CPR. Again, we can't believe anything he says. Any true account of this. He never shared with you know whatever he told investigators. He never spoke to her family about what really happens. Why would he? He never told the courts what really happens.

Anngelle Wood : 21:59

In February 1993, he was convicted of second-degree murder and sentenced to life with the chance of parole. He continued his lies and any attempts at release failed. You know he would make all kinds of excuses before the parole board. They do that. That's their M. O. I didn't do anything. It wasn't my fault. I wasn't involved. There was a rogue wave. They did not let him out and he died in prison in 2017.

Anngelle Wood : 22:30

Several books and movies have been made about Martha's story. I have not watched any of them. I don't know if you can vouch for anything that has come out about her story that may be factual. I have a hard time sometimes reading these things because they can be a bit exploitative. Would you agree? I don't know what became of her husband. Maybe he's still in the area, I'm not sure. Maybe you know better than I do. I do know this that she trusted him enough to get on the sailboat with him and he wasn't worthy of any of that. He wasn't worthy of any of that trust.

Anngelle Wood : 23:13

October is Domestic Violence Awareness Month. It's something that is pervasive in our society. Still, there is help available for anyone who's dealing with this. It's very important that I add that there are ways where you can get help to get out of it. I hope that nobody in this room where you can get help to get out of it. I hope that nobody in this room right now is affected by it, but I am sure that every single one of us knows somebody who is affected by it and we can advocate for them. Resources available locally Jane Doe Inc. You can go to their website. Janedoeorg Resources here in the North Shore. Go to their website, Janedoe. org. Resources here in the North Shore. In Salem it's HAWC Healing Abuse, working for Change.

Anngelle Wood : 23:59

I don't know if many people heard the story of Nayeli Nieves. She died last year in Salem, 20 years old. It is believed that she was killed on or around August 5th inside her 12 Pope Street apartment. Family members were concerned when they hadn't heard from her after about a week. A man named Pablo Vicente, 33 years old, her boyfriends and father of her two kids I know what you're thinking she was 20, he was 33. What the actual fuck? Because I said the exact same thing. He admitted to killing her. He admitted to keeping her body in the apartment for a series of days, about three days, before wrapping her up, bringing her out to the dumpster and throwing her away. Her family would rather that not be the case. Her family is still looking for her. It's been over a year and she has not been found. Yes, it poses a lot of questions. Nayeli Nieves has not been found. Her children were ages 3 and 18 months. They were taken into state custody. He has been held charged with her murder. I don't know the status of it right now, one of the things that I think I've. I had another slide of her and I think I lost it.

Anngelle Wood : 25:46

Sorry that we know about two prior instances of domestic violence in this relationship, one of which happened in Salem, one of which happened in Lowell I believe the most recent one had been April of that year April of 2023, where he was arrested and held. Prosecutors wanted him, they wanted bail to be revoked, but the judge refused and let him go. Her family says if they would have just held him, maybe there was a chance we could have gotten her out of this Didn't work, and now she's gone and she's missing and her children don't have a mom. She was very young. I know there are a lot of questions surrounding that, but we know that sometimes, as hard as we try to work to get something, to get somebody out of something, they think that's where they should be and that's why we need to talk about it and make sure people know that there's a way out. Even at 20 years old with two little children, there is a way out and there's a there. It's hard, but there's a way out. Look her up, learn more about her. She mattered. We know this one right. I always get a little emotional, sorry. This is a tough one because this is another young woman.

Anngelle Wood : 27:14

Amy Carnevale lived in Beverly. She went to Beverly High, she was a cheerleader, she was on her way. She was a kid. She met this boy. They started dating. You know, I don't know. I don't have an experience being 14 years old and being feeling I was madly in love with somebody and thought we're going to be together forever. At 14, I think I was still roller skating and I don't know, probably watching cartoons. I mean I, you know, um, they had this on again, off again, association. I don't want to call it a relationship because when you're that age, there's, there's nothing really. I don't know, I don't really feel like you have any idea what romantic love is. Maybe, I mean maybe in the olden days, when people got married at that very young age. I don't know what her family knew. I don't know what her family knew about what was going on. She was very young, but nobody else is responsible for what happened to her. But the person who harmed her Amy's not responsible. Her family's not responsible, as much as they may feel responsibility. Of course, I don't blame anybody, but the person who did this.

Anngelle Wood : 28:28

She met a boy in school named Jamie Fuller. He was 16. They had this on and off association and he had been pretty open about his intent. He had planned to hurt her and told people about it. And then he acted on that plan. August 23rd 1991, he lured Amy away from her home under the guise of wanting a haircut and yes, it was 1991, and he had a mullet. You can see it in the research, but it was 1991. But she was very talented and she was really interested in being a hairstylist and that was her dream at that age was to do that, and he knew that. So he used that information to lure her and she agreed to go see him. She agreed to give him a haircut and he and some of his friends. She came to their house. He and some friends were there at his house in Beverly and then he somehow got her to go on a walk. They went into the woods. He stabbed her viciously many, many, many times, details of which came out.

Anngelle Wood : 29:47

The brutality in what he did is just unspeakable. She was 14 years old. He was very young, too 16. I can't put myself in that mindset. Who could? And her pleas angered him. So he brutalized her even more and he left her there. He left her there and then returned to France. His friends didn't think he would actually do it. He's like oh, I did it. Basically, come and see what I did. They returned, wrapped up her body, put her in the car and drove her to Shoe Ponds, where they weighted her down and dumped her in the water. She was missing. Her family was concerned.

Anngelle Wood : 30:35

Now, of course, he denied any involvement in that he would be arrested, charged, convicted of life in prison, without the chance of parole, at 16 years old. And then his mother and her boyfriend concocted a plan to break him out of prison. They all got caught. Yes, he had some idea where I don't know who thought of it they're all brain surgeons, clearly he had some idea where I know I'll get hurt and we'll have to go to the, they'll have to take me out and go to the hospital and then you can intervene and then you can steal me and we can and we can go away to wherever you thought they would go. They failed, they all got caught. The mom went to jail, the boyfriend clearly got in trouble too. But it doesn't stop there. You think here, you think this guy's going to go to prison forever and he's never going to get out. And then the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court changed the ruling on juvenile lifers, and this is something that I've learned quite a lot about over the last several months.

Anngelle Wood : 31:55

Jamie Fuller became eligible for parole. He went before the parole board this year. He was denied in August, right around the anniversary of Amy's murder Not the same day but within days of the anniversary of her murder. He was denied but he won't. I guarantee you he's not going to stop trying, because that's what these people do. So this is beth. Today is her birthday. Her brother is here. I knew this was going to happen.

Anngelle Wood : 32:42

I've talked about her case. You've probably heard it. I hope you've listened to it. If you haven't, please go back. Her case is not as high profile as Amy's was. I know that they talked about it. I know it was in the press, but it doesn't make it any less impactful or any less cruel.

Anngelle Wood : 33:04

In the fall of 1992, she was a happy girl going to high school cheerleading Pentucket, pentucket. Anybody go to Pentucket, not you. She had been acquaintances with this boy named Richard Baldwin. They had spent some time together, but they weren't boyfriend and girlfriend, as the press would at the time would have you believe, because it makes for a good story, right, boyfriend kills his girl. No, that wasn't the case at all. The boy had gone to school with Beth and other. You know Beth's sister, so people knew. People knew him in the circle right. They had a neighbor that knew them, they, they had a mutual friend, the neighbor. But then Baldwin moved away. He had a shitty family We've heard that story. Right, he was depressed, whatever the case. And then he and Beth had hung out. They didn't date, they were not boyfriend and girlfriend. And then they had spent some time together, beth Baldwin and the neighbor. They went to the mall Rockingham Mall, I think right the day before, on November 17th.

Anngelle Wood : 34:28

He had, for whatever reason, developed some sort of idea in his head that they had a relationship. They didn't. I can't stress that enough. They were not boyfriend and girlfriend. Beth, smart as a whip, she didn't. She wasn't into it. She's like let's just be friends. She was a kid. I mean, none of us were into romantic love then. We didn't know what romantic love was right If you were romantically in love with someone at 15 years old. Okay, he wasn't romantically in love, by the way, he was demented.

Anngelle Wood : 35:19

So in his head he orchestrated a plot he was going to drive from Peabody to Groveland, go to the neighbor's house, have the neighbor who was mutual friends, have Beth come over so they could talk. I don't know what he think. What he thought he was going to get from it was he going to get closure? I mean, you're fucking 16. What kind of closure is there right? What he thought he was going to get from it Was he going to get closure? I mean, you're fucking 16. What kind of closure is there right? It was all a ruse to get Beth to come over. He premeditated this. He got her alone and he took out a baseball bat and he hit her with the baseball bat Violently, brutally. She did not make it. Her family had to see this Unforgivable. He admitted that he did it. He left the neighborhood in Groveland.

Anngelle Wood : 36:12

The high school was very close, pentucket was very close. He went over there. I guess he ate pills, drank booze and was supposedly going to kill himself, had second thoughts, went into the school, talked to some of the staffers there. The principal, I think, called the ambulance. He went to Hale Hospital. At the time Hale Hospital doesn't exist anymore and he was asking questions like has it hit the news yet? Because somewhere in the demented minds of these people, these perpetrators, I think they feel like there's fame at stake. Right, they do these things. We see it oftentimes with mass shooters in schools and otherwise. They feel like they're going to go out in a blaze of glory, like they're going to go down in history as some I don't know what they think they're going to go down in history as.

Anngelle Wood : 37:08

He was arrested, he was charged, he was convicted. He was charged, he was convicted. He was given a life sentence without the chance of parole. But much like what happens with Jamie Fuller in Beverly in the Amy Carnevale case, he could then go up for parole. He went up for parole. He went up for parole this year. I was there with Beth's family Thank you for including me and I listened to this boy-now-man definitely arrested development because he's been in prison since he was 16 years old.

Anngelle Wood : 37:52

Just go on and on and I hope you never have to go to a parole hearing ever. I wish this on none of you. I wish none of this ever touches your life in a personal way where you have to think about this at night. But these perpetrators, these convicted killers, get to sit there before the parole board. It's five or six people and they get to just talk and talk and talk and kind of like what I'm doing now, but I'm a good person and they just get to talk. And I'm watching this and I'm thinking I can't even believe what I'm witnessing right now. You know, trying to, it's everybody's fault and this happened. And then he talks about, he uses some you know, spirituality with his ancestors. I'm like that's? Do you just read a book and discover that because that might work? I don't think so. It didn't work. He goes on and on and on and the family gets to speak. Unbelievable the impact. You can't walk away from that. The same, I'm happy to say.

Anngelle Wood : 39:12

He did not get parole. He had had a couple of opportunities. The timeline is that he had had a chance a few years ago and he didn't. He didn't take the opportunity, thankfully, but it wasn't without putting the Brodies and Beth's family through living hell In this parole hearing. It's astounding Because they're asking him questions Well, did you do this? He didn't do anything. These people don't generally do anything to prepare for their parole hearing. For their parole hearing they need to have had established some kind of plan to rehabilitate. I don't know. I don't think prison is the place for rehabilitation for people with violent tendencies like this. That's a whole other conversation for us to have. This person is clearly ill. Those kinds of actions that doesn't cross my mind ever. Someone makes me mad. That stuff doesn't cross my mind ever, but one of the things that so he was denied, thankfully, and he will have a chance again eventually, and I'll be there again eventually, and I'll be there again. Happy birthday, Beth.

Anngelle Wood : 40:35

There's a lot of things that bother me about this and I take it very personally. Who do you think you are to make this decision for these women? You have no right. I didn't plan on coming up here and crying before you, but, having a vulnerable moment, I should go back to making jokes. Who do these people think they are to make these choices for women? And I am talking about? You know, all of the stories that I prepared for today are about women. I do definitely research and cover cases about children and men, but this stuff is particularly it's close to my heart because of the nature of these things.

Anngelle Wood : 41:23

These girls, these women, had lives to live. They had dreams to fulfill, dreams that they didn't even know about yet. You know Beth, she didn't even have a chance to be Beth. We knew Beth, as I didn't. I didn't know her, but I've come to know her and she's helped me be a better advocate. I just don't understand why. I mean, I know there's a lot of factors involved, but the fact that someone took her agency from her. She didn't get to choose that day. What would happen if she would live to be 16, if she got to get her braces off, if she was gonna go to that concert or watch her favorite show? Somebody took that choice away from her. It's unforgivable. I've talked to her family. Sean is here, her brother and I like to.

Anngelle Wood : 42:24

When I talk about these people and these stories, I like to kind of imagine what their life may have been like. I try to write a story for them. You know somebody like Beth. She'd be like a prosecutor. You know what I mean. She'd be putting these motherfuckers in jail. She would be because she was really smart. She was shy, but she was young. She would have been kick-ass. I know for a fact.

Anngelle Wood : 42:57

It's just tough to know that these boys now men were so broken, for whatever reason. That's not up to us to decide. Bad families yes, a lot of us come from bad families, but I'm not going to hurt anybody. We've all gotten angry, we've all felt wronged or, you know, we've all had our hearts broken. We've all been in love. We've had our hearts broken. We've lost people. People have come and gone from our lives, but we don't react this way. So there's something wrong. Clearly there's something wrong with these boys. Now, men, they're where they belong. They're in prison. They should stay there.

Anngelle Wood : 43:46

This is a case that I covered very early in the podcast. This is like episode five or six. Kristen Crowley lived in Peabody. She was a young woman, she was 27. This happened in 1996.

Anngelle Wood : 44:03

On the night of June 1st, two ex-Marines and former roommates lied to their girlfriend this is how I wrote it, so I just kind of pulled this from my script Lied to their girlfriends and headed to the local strip club where they spent hours drinking and propositioning the dancers. It was the golden banana, you bet, did they? Well, it seems right. They left. They failed to convince any of the women who worked at the club to leave with them. They happened upon this stunning young woman, kristen. They were at that local convenience store and I've driven by this a bunch of times and there's a store like the Golden Bananas here on Route 1. And there's a gas station slash convenience store right here and I think, I think that's the one it was. And so since I've done this case, people have messaged me and said, yeah, I was working there that night and they just wanted to share their story. It was nothing that I included in the podcast or anything. But you know, subsequently they were like I was there and these guys, and she wasn't doing anything wrong. It's like clearly she wasn't doing anything wrong, but they made it out that she was doing something wrong and I'll explain. These men saw her. She was very striking, gorgeous woman. You know. One of the guys looked at the other guy and said, oh, that looks like the girl that was just at the club.

Anngelle Wood : 45:28

Within an hour of them seeing her, she was dead. They spotted her at the gas station, followed her. She got her items, drove to her condo in Peabody. These men followed her. They accosted her. They dragged her out of her car. She fought and she fought hard. She fought for her life. They dragged her into the woods. They tried to sexually assault her. Remember, they had been drinking at the club for a long time. They beat her with a rock and left her there. A large boulder and a two-pound rock were found near her. Both were covered entirely with blood. There were pieces of her hair, very obvious signs of a struggle. Her cause of death was blunt trauma to the head and neck, resulting in multiple skull fractures, jaw fractures and severe this is my language, not the language that came from the report severe injury to her brain. She had defensive wounds on her hands. She fought like hell against these men.

Anngelle Wood : 46:35

But one of the things, many things, bother me about this case, everything I talked about beth and amy and all of these women beforehand come into play. So the men they were found, you know, located, implicated, arrested, charged. He got 15 years to life, a man named timothy dykens, convicted of first degree murder. All of this is made worse by the way that she was written about in the news. It was called the stripper murder, the dancer murder. Like she became a non-person from that point on. She became a headline. She didn't have a name. She was the stripper, she was the girl who left the club.

Anngelle Wood : 47:20

So to clarify and it was really important for me to and I talked to a couple of reporters, it was a woman from Salem News that I spoke to at length about this I said you know, they disparaged her in the media, calling her a stripper and et cetera. This reporter's response to that was and I still don't really know how I feel about it, but it hurts to say it out loud the reason why she's dead is because she fought back so hard. And I said are you fucking kidding me? She fought for her life and that's the reason why she's dead, not these two guys that left a strip club because they were horned out and attacked her because she was beautiful. But that reporter actually has done a great deal of work. I don't really like that response at all because I don't feel like she did anything to deserve anything that happened to her. She just walked into a store to get you know, doritos, mountain Dew and probably a pack of butts.

Anngelle Wood : 48:11

The truth is that she had done some parties. She was recently married. She came from a good family. Her family was devastated when this happened. They couldn't understand it. All of the unfathomable things that occur when you lose a loved one, especially so brutally, that occur when you lose a loved one especially so brutally. But again, this is another case of these men deciding what was going to happen to her that night. She fought and she lost because of these men deciding that they wanted to take from her what she didn't want to give them. So Keegan died trying to be paroled. Oh, that's too bad, dykens. I don't really know what happened to him. I believe he's still in jail.

Anngelle Wood : 49:06

I'm going to use my line Tick tock, motherfucker, because your time is coming. I don't want any of these people to get out of prison. They're unworthy for society. Have you rehabilitated? Very personal feelings that I'm sharing with you. Clearly, I don't know, if you attack a woman and smash her head in with a rock, that you are rehabilitatable. Maybe that's just me. Of course, I need to share important information about RAINN, National Sexual Assault Hotline.

Anngelle Wood : 49:38

I understand, having been in this true crime space, as we call it. I understand there are, you know, we hear the word safe spaces and triggers. Those words have been bastardized, those words have been stolen from us to manipulate, but there are really. People do experience triggers. People do need these safe spaces. I talk to families and I say you know what, if you tell me today you want to talk about it and tomorrow you don't, we're not gonna.

Anngelle Wood : 50:13

I talked to a woman very recently, her sister, Charline Rosemond, was you want to talk about it and tomorrow you don't, we're not going to. I talked to a woman. Very recently her sister, Charline Rosemond, was murdered and found in Somerville in a car in a parking lot, been there for six days. We can't figure out why a woman was shot in the back of the head and left in a car that stayed in a parking lot in Somerville, massachusetts, for six days and nobody figured it out. I don't know, have you ever been to Somerville? You know that you can't park in Somerville and a car sat there for six days with a dead woman inside. I don't understand any of this. And the authorities believe she was there the whole time that she had been missing from her family and they found her eventually. Her sister and I spoke very recently.

Anngelle Wood : 50:54

I just put out two episodes about her case unsolved and her sister said she's like I want to talk about it and I want people to know about my sister's story. But it brings me to a place where I have to kind of psych myself up for it because I know, you know, she could be doing really well and he could bring her down again. And I said totally understand if you decide at any point we do this interview and you say I don't, I don't want you to do anything with this, we don't because it triggers things in you. It's been 15 years since her sister was murdered. People know what happened but they won't talk, they won't tell.

Anngelle Wood : 51:31

We need to talk about these cases. We need to tell people, we need to express to people that there are families hurting and if there's some way we can let them know whether it's let them know or really let authorities know that you know something, know or really let authorities know that you know something, even if you think that that little bit of information is not relevant. We don't know everything the authorities know. So you could connect a dot or draw a line to something that the authorities know about or confirm something that the authorities already know about. I can't say that we're all going to be. I mean, I would love to say we're going to solve crimes. I would love that, I would like to be a small cog in the wheel of solving somebody's pain. But it's not about that. I think for some true crime creator people, it is about, you know, trying to solve the case. I'm not a cop, I'm not a reporter. I'm somebody who writes stories and I research and I read and I care and I never want to cause more pain to somebody or a family. But I got to try every time I do something like this, because this stuff it's like the snowball effect.

Anngelle Wood : 52:46

I want everybody who is interested in these subject matters because I know sometimes when I say, oh yeah, I do a true crime podcast, some people go, hmm, because some of it is very gross. Right, we know some of it is very gross. We've heard the stories. There was an incident not all that long ago where there was a true crime creator that had a YouTube channel and somehow got access to autopsy photos of a child, took those autopsy photos of a child and put it behind their Patreon paywall and we're like buy into my Patreon and see these pictures. Stop, first of all, you have someone's child autopsy photos. Shame on you. Well, sometimes people get access to them. Okay, you're going to show them to everybody and make people pay for them. Shame on you. Shame on you. They go in trouble. I don't know what the status is of them now and I got to be honest with you. I don't know a lot of I have.

Anngelle Wood : 53:50

I have one friends who we kind of started out together and she she started doing to do a YouTube channel. She's, she's incredible, she's smart, she's, she's resourceful and she digs in and she's factual and she's legitimate can't speak to. I mean, you can tell me, otherwise I'm. I don't sit and watch a lot of YouTube stuff, but some of this stuff is just very gross and opportunistic and exploitative and I don't want to be like that. But you know, when you see a story like that where someone is using someone's pain and we could accuse everybody you could accuse me of using someone's pain I can handle it right. I work really hard to not be that person.

Anngelle Wood : 54:36

When I started the show and I said you know, these stories aren't ours, we're borrowing these stories and it's like when I brought my puppy home, she was this big and I thought you're like a little baby bird and I'm going to break you. You have to be very careful with these stories because there's so much more at stake with these people, these families, these lives and I hope none of you ever. And I'm sorry that you lost your friends, I'm sorry that you even know the pain of this and Beth Brody's family. I'm sorry. It's been a long time. I hope that you've learned and healed and it makes you compassionate too. It's not a game and that's how I try to look at this. I started very differently. I started being a radio DJ where everything was a joke and everything was. I just want to get the laugh and I still do want to get the laugh, but not at the expense of any of these people or any of these emotions or any of these cases. I hope that comes off when I do this, right. I hope you recognize that when you listen to me.

Anngelle Wood : 55:43

So there are a number of other cases that I listed that I had hoped to get to. I just couldn't, I just couldn't, I just couldn't. Claire Gravel, Beverly. Callie Harrison, Rockport. Callie Harrison is the little girl who went missing from the beach. She was a toddler. They're not entirely sure what happened. We think now I mean, it's been a lot of years we think now that she probably got washed away in the ocean on the beach. Some of these names might seem more familiar than others, like Jesus de la Cruz, a little boy from Lynn who disappeared. No idea what happened to that little boy. No one knows still, at least not publicly.

Anngelle Wood : 56:30

The story of Colleen Ritzer. We, a lot of us, have heard the story of Colleen. She was killed. She was a Danvers High School math teacher. She was killed by a student. The student was arrested, tried, convicted and is now just recently, this week, trying to get a new trial. Imagine that. So so many of these cases I wanted to try to cover today.

Anngelle Wood : 56:59

But we'll do this again If you want me to come back, if you have stuff you want me to cover, if there's something I don't know about that I've never heard about, tell me. Tell me, I'm happy to do it. Thank you, listen to the podcast. If you're into that, follow the show, contact me. Thank you to off cabot for hosting. Thank you to everybody here. Thank you to that.

Anngelle Wood : 57:21

We're not done yet. We're gonna open it up to some Q&A. We can talk about whatever you want. If there's a case that we haven't touched on, if there's something you want to add to what we've talked about, there's something on the podcast that you heard. If, if there's another case there was a lot of interest in some of the other high-profile cases if you want to talk about them. But I thank you for being here. I thank you for indulging me a little bit and watching me cry and make jokes at the same time At the back.

Anngelle Wood : 57:46

I want to point out, at the back of the table. There's stickers and there's some other cases that you know definitely require attention, some that I've covered, some that I have not. Yet Some people have asked me about merch. I don't carry t-shirts and things like, but I do have a lot of stuff on the website. So if you go to Crime of the Truest Kind. com and hit the store, my store will pop up. If you use the code VIP, you get a discount.

Anngelle Wood : 58:16

And just like that, that's what one of our live shows sounds like. Give or take some tears. Coming

Anngelle Wood : 58:25

up up, the The bonus Q&A portion of the show from October 10th at Off Cabot in Beverly, Massachusetts. You can find the slides from the show at crimeofthetruestkind. com crimeofthetruestkindcom. Go to the episode page, episode 74. Thank you to everybody who participated in the Q&A and thank you to Sean and Stephanie and the family of Beth Brodie. We cover even more cases in the Q&A, so go now and listen to the bonus segment number two. I'm going to go and, yes, lock your goddamn doors.